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The Rise of Progressive Post-Evangelicals, Jordan Peterson, the Meaning Crisis and Community

The Rise of Progressive Post-Evangelicals, Jordan Peterson, the Meaning Crisis and Community

December 16, 2019

This is the second of those videos I paused to post. I'm releasing them in reverse order. I very much see these videos as "on the way" in that my thinking is undeveloped. I'm trying to pull a narrative together. I begin with post-evangelical Trump obsession. Many evangelicals were defectors from the mainline. Now some of the children of fundamentalists are refugees in the Mainline but it won't be enough to save it. Julian Young writes about Nietzsche and Kierkegaard and has a fascinating interview from a few years ago where the guy making this series connects the meaning crisis and community. I end with Nathan Jacobs, Rod Dreher and Jordan Peterson which very much seems to be another offshoot branch of this development.

Alex Morris in Rolling Stone on Evangelicals and Donald Trump https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/christian-right-worships-donald-trump-915381/

Aaron Sorkin and Civil Religion on the Left https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/aaron-sorkin-donald-trump-president-letter-daughter

Dave Rubin and the renewal of civil religion on the right https://youtu.be/sZnyegR0pwM

Rachel Held Evans Monkeytown to Faith Unraveled https://amzn.to/2st1n2j

Doubters in the Bible Belt https://thinkchristian.reframemedia.com/doubters-in-the-bible-belt

Rod Dreher Has the Last Episcopalian has been born? https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/last-episcopalian-been-born/

Charles Colson Born Again https://amzn.to/2RYMAH6

Bizarro Twins of Mars Hill https://paulvanderklay.me/2012/05/18/the-emergent-bizarro-twins-of-mars-hill/

Rob Bell Super Soul Sunday https://youtu.be/DWq7k6CLe4w

Tripp on Jordan Peterson and Mark Driscoll https://youtu.be/P2Wh1pG0EH8

Struggle to Read the Bible without Errors Numbers 31 https://mikeinsac.com/2019/09/02/my-struggle-to-believe-in-a-bible-without-errors/

Mouthy Buddha Sam Harris losing to Jordan Peterson https://youtu.be/iBSOTY1rTtg

Julian Young https://youtu.be/B-62c5x4vvc

Robert vA Conversation https://youtu.be/rJ32L_dlQiM

Discord Massive Unlisted Conversation https://youtu.be/iVuvoIUkYJY

Becoming Nathan Jacobs https://youtu.be/zNJe9-JdJRs

Reaching Nones and Dones https://youtu.be/ME54BibXfYs

Life Itself and the Unreliable Narrator https://youtu.be/-YLJb6p0nZA

Rod Dreher Tourists vs. Pilgrims https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/pilgrims-vs-tourists-zygmunt-bauman/

John Crist Church Hunters 1 https://youtu.be/nT70cA-7qMk

Jordan Peterson Biblical Series 1 https://youtu.be/f-wWBGo6a2w

The Bible Project https://www.youtube.com/user/jointhebibleproject

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Advent’s Contextual Affordance of Hope

Advent’s Contextual Affordance of Hope

December 14, 2019

Our culture will tell you that "normal" life is easy, beautiful and most of all FUN! If you're not enjoying the kind of life you see on commercials you're obviously doing it wrong. This is a lie. Most life gurus will offer technical fixes, but all technical fixes have a short shelf life. James offers advice that leverages worldview assumptions. Patience, long-suffering borrows from future promise. Advent is when we learn to wait and suffer in hope.

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With Andrea on Bret Weinstein’s Tweets, Vervaeke’s Meaning Crisis and Jordan Peterson (Convo)

With Andrea on Bret Weinstein’s Tweets, Vervaeke’s Meaning Crisis and Jordan Peterson (Convo)

December 13, 2019

Andrea has a YouTube channel where she does interviews with interesting people. We spoke a couple of weeks ago and I thought the conversation went well. We covered Bret Weinstein's tweets about Jesus, John Vervaeke's series on the Meaning Crisis, Jordan Peterson's work, and quite a bit. This video first appeared on her channel but I asked if I could share it on mine as well.

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This video on Andrea's Channel https://youtu.be/PUoDqPaiKY8

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Theism vs. Non-Theism, Personal vs. Impersonal, Miraculous vs. Unconscious, Context vs. Technique

Theism vs. Non-Theism, Personal vs. Impersonal, Miraculous vs. Unconscious, Context vs. Technique

December 12, 2019

While I've experienced strange hesitation "our little corner of the Internet" has had a wealth of great conversations. JP Marceau, Mary Kochan, and John Vervaeke had an amazing 2 hour conversation where they not only modeled effective, loving, productive, explorative conversation but they really did some work on drawing out the lines of difference between the religious and the post-religious dynamics of moral life. What a triumph! This on top of an amazing conversation between John Vervaeke and Jonathan Pageau.

JP John and Mary on JP's channel https://youtu.be/DCaKxIZFw7Y

JP John and Mary on Mary's channel https://youtu.be/znNqRYSKB7k

Vervaeke and Pageau https://youtu.be/N1byG4RqoTg

Philosopher Julian Young and the Meaning Crisis https://youtu.be/B-62c5x4vvc

Christine Hayes and the MetaDivine Realm https://youtu.be/wRPqtGywkCw

Arul Emergence "Get out of Jail Free Card" https://youtu.be/qzSpDbAyUvg

SacWriter Can't Believe in Inerrancy https://mikeinsac.com/2019/09/02/my-struggle-to-believe-in-a-bible-without-errors/

Why Relate to a God Personally https://youtu.be/65CcfvXXHug 

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The Story of Scotland Morrison, Urban Abbey and the Consciousness and Conscience Conference

The Story of Scotland Morrison, Urban Abbey and the Consciousness and Conscience Conference

December 11, 2019

In September 2020 there will be a conference with myself, Jonathan Pageau, John Vervaeke, and Richard Maundrell on the subject of Consciousness and Conscience. I wanted to know what was Urban Abbey in Thunder Bay Ontario and what was its story. Scotland Morrison, the Abbot shared with me his incredible story and the story of the founding of the Abbey. You are going to love it.

Conference Link https://www.facebook.com/events/1383713598477714 Website: http://www.urbanabbey.ca/

Scotland's email: Scotland_morrison@hotmail.com Registration opening soon-

Notes

Urban Abbey Thunder Bay Ontario
Men honor titles and titles do not honor men, Machievelli
Born in Thunder Bay Ontario
Grandfather was a baptist minister, other grandfather was a firefighter
Father worked for digital equipment. Parents were both serving in a baptist church. Mom was a youth leader, father in children’s ministry
Descended into missionary poverty. End up in the interior of BC parents become full time Christian camp directors until he is 12 years old. Frans and Wes.
Felony Flats, parents do discipleship camps
Winkler Bible Camp,
Sovereign Grace movement, Warren Throckmorton
Parents are more dynamic pioneers than settler types
Scotland and older sister take over the disciples training school
Move to Philadelphia, got plugged into a Sovereign Grace church
CCF Philadelphia, Westminster
Zach Martin, plant a sovereign grace church in Ottawa
Mark Driscoll Acts 29 Church Planting network
Carrie Underwood
Mike Fischer Hockey Player
Village Church in Surrey BC
When you’re bringing people into the church, what are they being converted into…
Neo-monasticism, Brother Lawrence,
Enneagram 9w8
Mom had fallen ill, but working on her second PhD from Fuller
“If you do what I’m asking you to do I’m going to take care of you…” from God
Mom writes up a 9 page proposal for the old baptist church to become an Abbey
Prayer tower
Ship in a storm, javelin/archer, tree with trees beneath
To say that you’re a Christian person carries a ton of baggage
Thunder Bay is a Hub city. 25 first nations communities north of them.
14 to 17% first nations, they are urbanizing
St. Patrick. Kidnapped as a child, became a slave, lots of encounters with god in the wild. Loves his captors. Escapes. Learns theology. Becomes a missionary.
Patrick offers something those communities embraced and desired.
Loved the dedication of the monks.
Irish missionaries found ways to properly bring in spiritual elements of the Celts.
Catholics saw the benefit structure of some of it. Mutual confession.
Irish monks did hair styles like the druids.
Monasteries were a withdrawal from society. Abbeys were far more community oriented.
Build places for art, culture technology. When they’d come into a community the community would value it.
Always this focus of work and prayer.
A Christian movement that could work with the first nation’s people of Ireland. Being good news for that community.
Believe, behave, belong. Abbey: belong, behave, believe trajectory.
Doesn’t matter where you are on any spectrum.
Emphasis on service and sacrifice, isaiah 58, Service to the city.
Canada is losing 30% of its churches in 10 years.
Municipality of Montreal is banning new church construction
Parents wanted, an abbey, Scotland wants it to be a model.
You seed them with community, loving, purposed people. Dementia cafe
Filled the abbey with sacred art. Jesus sitting at the last supper.
25 to 40 people who come for services, 1500 to 2000 people a week.
Want the abbey to be a re-writing of a narrative. Plant an intentional community.
Passage about God putting Ahab to death.
Common rule of life
Four year lectionary based on the four gospels
Philosophy, culture making, art, city center
James KA Smith guiding in a rowboat you look back
Informed, fair, generative, lively, dialogue
Dr. Richard Maundrell
Urban Abbey .ca and on Facebook, will be creating a facebook

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Canadian Carpenter with an MA in Philosophy: Faith, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche

Canadian Carpenter with an MA in Philosophy: Faith, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche

December 10, 2019

You can find Robert vA on the Discord server. He grew up Canadian Reformed (offshoot of the CRC), now married with a couple of kids. He's a carpenter but just finished an MA in Philosophy doing a Master's Thesis on Kierkegaard and Faith (see link below).

Robert's Master's Thesis Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VkaKH580OVvAWXq2NeL6YejHyTzJ2skEcCB022CByFY/edit?usp=sharing

Notes from the talk Canadian Reformed Masters in Philosophy Discord server Jordan Peterson Some ontological problem but you know they don’t care JBP and Zizek were taking things seriously He actually cares. Political stuff was important too The way JBP is received in University was not well Philosophy department already disposed to mock and put down anything that might take pseudo-intellectual. Zizek is in exactly the same position, even a weirder position. Pushes all the right buttons and they just wish he’s push a couple more Lion King and Pinocchio He wasn’t a savior/hero for him Found him very endearing. Nietzsche Kierkegaard, what is faith? Fear and trembling

Three spiritual states into 3:

1. infinite resignation putting the world to death,

2. The demonic, something that isn’t that well laid out but in Sickness unto death, using a pseudonym, ends up being willing in despair to be yourself, Despair is a state that comes after consciousness, the serpent tempts the woman and they fall into sin, the beginning of consciousness, they have both fallen into despair by willing to be themself with their sin (Cain) remains the murderer. Persists in himself as a murderer. That is the demonic. Active despair, you know you’ve done evil. You do it anyway. You persist in being yourself. Will to not be yourself. Despair and you don’t will. Not willing to be yourself, “the feminine form of despair”. An inaction. Satan in paradise lost. He is defiant the entire time. Untethered rationality. Builds a kingdom in hell with his pure intellect. Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven. The mind is in its own place to make a heaven of hell and a hell of heaven. Taking action against God. CS Lewis talks about that in the Great Divorce. The little man with the puppet on a chain. The person disappears under the weight of the thing that is himself. Doubling down on a thing that isn’t you.

3. Faith. Kierkegaard is trying to get to. Kierkegaard doesn’t allow the pseudonoymous author to get to because faith is not a concept, it’s trust in God.

You can learn what faith is by example. John the silent is trying to do that. You can’t learn what faith is just by watching Abraham and Isaac. Faith isn’t just one thing. It’s a relationship. You can’t see it. The reason isn’t specific to Isaac and Abraham. The question that it puts there. God is asking “what is most important to you?” Do you trust me more than anything else? Will you follow human reason or will you trust me? Trying desperately to figure out how this could possibly happen. You can’t understand faith like that. Only from the inside. Only the faithful understands faith. Kierkegaard is critical of everything Praising the construction of the life raft in full confidence it will never need to be used. Nietzsche, did his best to try to start a new religion. Julian Young is good on Nietzsche , Nietzsche and the Meaning of Life. Biography of Nietzsche.

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Christianity and Non-Duality (Convo)

Christianity and Non-Duality (Convo)

December 9, 2019

Bob has been in the comments section and in the Discord server for while now. He grew up in the Christian Reformed Church but has embraced the concept of non-duality.

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Chicago Meetup: Why in Churches? Should Still Call “Jordan Peterson” Meetup? (Convo)

Chicago Meetup: Why in Churches? Should Still Call “Jordan Peterson” Meetup? (Convo)

December 5, 2019

We just launched a new Jordan Peterson Meetup in Chicago! If you have friends in Chicago invite them. We chatted with Sam and Hank from Chicago and Joey who grew up in Chicago and launched the discord server about why we think these meetups are so valuable and why we're continuing to try to start new ones. Why do we think churches should encourage and support these meetups? What value do they offer churches? What value can churches offer these meetups? We also talked about whether or not we should continue to use Jordan's name on them.

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Dave Rubin, Civil Religion, New Atheism: the Godlessness that Failed

Dave Rubin, Civil Religion, New Atheism: the Godlessness that Failed

December 4, 2019

When I listened to Dave Rubin on Unbelievable I heard a redux of Cold War Civil Religion. What amazed me was that Dave Rubin should have been a trophy of New Atheism but instead exactly the opposite happened. Why?

Recently Slate Star Codex had a piece "New Atheism: The Godlessness that Failed" which laid out how New Atheism is being consumed by the Church of Social Justice. Dave Rubin perfectly illustrates that as well as how Jordan Peterson marks the end of New Atheism's power and the IDW in many ways its refugees.

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New Haven Connecticut as New Jerusalem (Convo)

New Haven Connecticut as New Jerusalem (Convo)

December 2, 2019

Jonathan tells his story and the story of his town New Haven Connecticut. New Haven was settled to be the new heaven and the new earth. To be the embodiment of God's kingdom on earth.

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