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A Messiah Named Cyrus

A Messiah Named Cyrus

June 16, 2019

Rough draft for Sunday. Why would the book of Isaiah call a pagan monarch a "messiah/christ/anointed"?

Kids have become something between Pets and Lifestyle Accessories

Kids have become something between Pets and Lifestyle Accessories

June 15, 2019

Carlos from Opus Dei in the Philippines wanted to talk about fatherhood. He notes differences between elder respect in the Philippines and the West

Notes
Carlos 2 opus dei

Parenting, fatherhood
Old me vs new me
Joe Rogan JBP podcast
How did Joe get into standup comedy
Look at the people who are doing it and see how they’re doing it and do it
Parenting is like stand up comedy
School of parenting from your mom
In modern society kids are somewhere between pets and lifestyle accessories
Saint Bernard in the Philippines
The cult of youth
“You’re the future of the country” They were lying when they said that.
“The youth are going to save the world” I never believe it for one second
I knew that I was young and useless.
You have to believe them because they are kids.
“Kids don’t lie”. Philippino myth.
GK Chesterton, Tradition is the democracy of the dead
2 worlds for old in Tagalog. To be worn out, or to be a marker
Cat Stevens song and Tagalog song. The tagalog song is still very deferential
Respect your elders
Bullying stories
Corporations and rule
The job of a parent is to make himself useless as quickly as possible
Crowdsource
Peer review is an appeal to authority of your peers
If you want to take the edge of your modernity, pray to a saint
I have done it and it works
You can fence your little sin.
I’m not praying to Billy Graham
It’s no longer a community, it’s an arms race
College admissions scandal
Half a million young men who are simply disengaged in Japan
Find something good at what you do
You have the burden of the world.
Like a cross vs a container ship

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Religion God Accepts… Rod Hugen, Ruth and Pete

Religion God Accepts… Rod Hugen, Ruth and Pete

June 14, 2019

Rod Hugen is a dear friend of mine and one of the best writers and story tellers I know. Rod makes anything better. He planted a small church in Tucson Arizona. Some of his best stories are about simple Christian faithfulness and suffering. He shared this story on an online forum and I knew I wanted it on my channel.

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Religion God Accepts http://www.villagersonline.com/religion-god-accepts/ 
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The Village Church on Twitter https://twitter.com/villagersonline 

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Do we Convert because we Admire? When do Answers become Idolatrous?

Do we Convert because we Admire? When do Answers become Idolatrous?

June 13, 2019

Eric ponders what conversion is. He's converted so many times he's becoming a student of conversion. We work on his conversionism.

Notes on the talk
Moving to Miami, finished PhD and trying to land a job
Moving back home with family where the rent is free
Repeat guest
Conversion,
How did he convert
Why did he convert
Difference between converting and being converted
Conversions through admiration, getting people’s elephants to turn around through admiration
Conversion through new Atheists, because he admired these people
Conversion through Jordan Peterson, through admiration. Became Petersonian, act as if God exists
How he converted, read the gospels and admired Jesus. He moved Eric’s elephant, so he became a Christian. The process of converting.
Convert through Admiration. Maya Angelou, people will forget what you said but remember how you made them feel
Why he converted. Math was his rock. Made him a man with a chest
Trying to install the software of scientific materialism to solve the framing problem deflated his chest
Mathematics kept him with a chest
Didn’t want to be a pagan, be subject to the whims and mercies of gods he didn’t know
He wasn’t sufficient. Wanted to be a slave to a master of his own choosing
You need a transcendent value
Also related to Pascal’s wager. He had nothing to lose
Time to tell people what he meant by why he converted.
Religion provides a solution to the framing problem.
Use the myths, events that happen all the time in some eternal nature
The moral of the myth was the answer to that problem.
Thought of converting in terms of installing software, these safety nets
You can’t unlearn what you know
Uninstalling the bugs from his atheist software. We live in a story-verse.
Tolstoy’s confession, being in the same place as he was
No one has the answer, and that’s the answer
Answers can be idols
Where there is life there is faith. You can’t have life without faith.
Tolstoy found admiration
Part of his conversion was uninstalling his bugs
You have to listen. Idols get in the way
Finding elephants to follow. Converting
Tim Keller, conditions necessary for conversion. You have to see people you admire for you to convert
You have to have background knowledge and be able to answer people’s questions
Somewhat properly converted.
Took up prayer, pray the “Our Father”
Tried various ways of prayer
If you just tell the truth that’s an adventure of a lifetime
What does it mean to “accept the Lord Savior” tell the truth or at least don’t lie
Had to learn enough. Had to know enough.
Understood Christianity symbolically very quickly. You can’t make this up.
We have Christianity because a bunch of people claim to have scene him and were willing to die for it.
Tom Holland, NT Wright discussion on Unbelievable
People were smart in the past
Took the Apostle Paul 14 years
Consider himself fully converted, fully embedded, or at least his reflexes have changes.
What would Jesus do
Jesus suffered far greater shame and humiliation than some photoshops
You can’t ridicule Jesus

Silence the Novel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence_(novel)
Joy as part of the Christian life
Laughter and crying
“Act as if” is synonymous with pretend which gives us pause
Impostor syndrome
I have to get to a church so I don’t feel like an impostor
All of this is a product of admiration

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Frank and Francis Schaeffer, Jordan Peterson, Ellul, Rookmaaker and others

Frank and Francis Schaeffer, Jordan Peterson, Ellul, Rookmaaker and others

June 12, 2019

Byrne Power joins me for our second conversation. We go deeper into what happened with L'Abri and the Schaeffers, why so many intersections between L''Abri and Jordan Peterson. Lots of good stuff from Byrne in this one.

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Here are the notes.
Shaefer
Labri library
Taxi driver
70s film
Jesus people turned cult
Solzenitzen
Frankie Schaefer
When people come back they don’t want to do evangelism anymore
Oct 1978
Schaeffer just finished filming and had cancer
Rookmaaker
Books to read, tutor to talk to
Jonestown incident occurred
How much harm is done by people who claim to know what love is
Thank you Jordan Peterson
French woman was an atheist and communist who had heard of Jonestown
French woman asked “what makes you different from them?”
They were telling you things to question what you believed
Schaeffer didn’t just let you say what you believe without explaining it
They’re teaching me to question even them
The tensions of L’abri were starting in 1980
Things started getting more propagandistic
Any topic had been on the table
Rookmaaker was an unlikely convert. He went into the church and never got over what he saw in the church. Brilliant on the subject of art.
The honesty of wrestling about things. Honest to the point of genuine emotion. Take any question that comes to them. Emphasize learning and reading
The 80s was a rough period for L’Abri
Ellul, where discussion begins, propaganda ends
Click, then I’m trying to get you saved
Efficiency, the more we seek to be efficient, the less human we become
Meaning
Rookmaaker’s lecture on reality
Reality is meaning
CS Lewis the Discarded Image
Four part series of Rookmaker on Art
Complete works of Rookmaker
Barfield
The Rediscover of Meaning
To the degree that we are individuals we are alienated and isolated from each other
Saving the Appearances
Barfield on Coleridge
Rookmaker: the meaning of scholarship
Charles William figure of Beatrice, the meaning of the city
michael polanyi personal knowledge
michael polanyi mp3 you can find his lectures, 4 of them
Knowledge is personal, everyone’s knowledge.
Where does the hypothesis come from?
Ellul: the Political Illusion
Walker Percy: Lost in the Cosmos, The loss of the creature
Our first environment is nature. We get everything good from there, but also all of the worst things. In order to fight that we created the second environment. Society. The social world. We’re protected from some of the worst ravages from nature, but all of the problems of the social world. Love, heartache, conflict, strife, war, disease. Now technology. We live inside of technology.
Ellul died on the day Jackie Kennedy died
Tarkofsky, Sculpture and Time
We are at war with reality. We want a perfect world. The more we try to get there the more we put the gun to our head.
The last place will be the first place.
When we get to the garden of eden, we’ll finally find out what the sword was, the thing that won’t allow us to get back to the garden.
Utopia
ASMR
Texture
When we’re missing a texture we create plastic or digital imitations of it
Puppetry as an antidote art
Propaganda and social media
Conceptual humanity
Texture and meaning
How could people find what they do in science if they weren’t already there
Christians are practically atheists

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Ancient Transformative Reading: Vervaeke, Orthodoxy, Tim Keller,

Ancient Transformative Reading: Vervaeke, Orthodoxy, Tim Keller,

June 11, 2019

John Vervaeke is doing a lot of side interviews that help us see where his project is going. Other YouTubers are also working his stuff and Pageau's stuff. We'll see how Vervaeke's observations line up with Orthodoxy in terms of Lectio Divina reading.

Vervaeke clip 1 https://youtu.be/V4UydKAamu0 
Mystagogy and Liturgy https://youtu.be/RMsznl_NhhE 
Vervaeke and Hall on Rebel Wisdom https://youtu.be/awmqIySF2Gs 
A Quality Existence https://youtu.be/EcRhI2i_qYM 
Tim Keller Preaching https://www.amazon.com/Preaching-Communicating-Faith-Age-Skepticism-ebook/dp/B00OQSF8QS 
Byrne Power Texture https://youtu.be/xUNKcU_4LP8 
SBC Losses https://twitter.com/PaulVanderKlay/status/1138119886364741632  

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Mark Vernon on Owen Barfield, The Fossils of Consciousness. also CS Lewis and Rudolf Steiner

Mark Vernon on Owen Barfield, The Fossils of Consciousness. also CS Lewis and Rudolf Steiner

June 10, 2019

Owen Barfield was a close friend of CS Lewis and one of the Inklings. He believed that human consciousness has changed throughout history and can be tracked via our use of language. Mark Vernon is giving Barfield some much deserved attention.

https://www.amazon.com/Secret-History-Christianity-Evolution-Consciousness/dp/1789041945 

http://www.owenbarfield.org/  Site run by his grandson 

https://www.amazon.com/Fellowship-Literary-Inklings-Barfield-Williams-ebook/dp/B00PF6QL1G 

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Pentecost Fire and Wind

Pentecost Fire and Wind

June 9, 2019

How does God communicate Himself? How could he make himself known? What did it mean for God's Spirit to come upon a group of men and women in Jerusalem sending them out into the world?

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Former-Soldier artist talks Jordan Peterson, Art and the Church

Former-Soldier artist talks Jordan Peterson, Art and the Church

June 7, 2019

Sally Jo shares her story.

Notes
Ranchers, Western south dakota
Rural schools, mom taught school
Father had little jobs, including preaching
Joined the army, discovered she was a nerd
Attempted to go to art school, but not enough money to go to Cambridge
2nd tour in the army, national guard
Made it to art school
Came up across the political correctness stuff
Steven Crowder
Then Jordan Peterson C-16
Favorite JBP was a little nervous
Rural life
When he started talking about post-modernism everything got better. It wasn’t the people it was post-modernism.
Leads to there is no objective beauty, you get forced to prove it, to make ugly art
IF it has meaning it’s upsetting
Metalsmithing is constrained by physics
Trump supporter in art school in southern illinois
Tell the truth, even badly
Old JBP lecture: Three options in a relationship: tyrant, slave or negotiate
Archetypes, trying to find the core story
Rejection of symmetry is the rejection of meaning
People who go to church regular don’t go out into the broader world
Church isn’t the place for thinking
JBP uncorked the atheists unsure of religion
Attending an orthodox church, the art, the spectacle
Like that JBP won’t commit
Manner of speaking, Sam Harris vs JBP
Felt the same way about Obama, Reading it isn’t so bad, but that way of speaking
Class disparity
Sargon of Akkad, milkshakes, MEP
Alt right or working class?
JBP is mixing the deck. Groups that usually don’t mix
JBP talked to Milo
Identify as an attack helicopter

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Jordan Peterson is a Christian in Soren Kierkegaard

Jordan Peterson is a Christian in Soren Kierkegaard

June 6, 2019

An enduring debate in the Jordan Peterson phenomenon is whether or not he's a Christian. In this interview with Dennis Prager he again attempts to explain why he won't say he believes in God. I had heard this answer a number of times but this time I also came across a video explaining what Soren Kierkegaard, the father of existentialism believed a Christian was.

My conversation with Dr. James https://youtu.be/N030yZGvDbg
Jordan Peterson's interview with Dennis Prager https://youtu.be/L47oJxwp6yg
Transliminal Channel with Dr. Steven Taubeneck on the roots of Existentialism https://youtu.be/g0flzyym9-Y
Kierkegaard Biography https://www.amazon.com/Kierkegaard-Single-Life-Stephen-Backhouse-ebook/dp/B01863JMME
#jordanpeterson #god #sorenkierkegaard

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