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PVK Q/A: Minimum Christianity, Fatherhood, Suicide, Corrie Ten Boom, Old and New Adam June 26, 2020

PVK Q/A: Minimum Christianity, Fatherhood, Suicide, Corrie Ten Boom, Old and New Adam June 26, 2020

July 2, 2020

We are continuing to try to refine the Q/A process on the discord server. After this recorded session we had quite a long conversation about the benefit of longer vs shorter answers, best practices, etc. Most requested that I keep posting these sessions but we didn't record questions when requested. Here is the recording from June 26 2020 0:00 Continuing to figure out the best practices of PVK Q/A 6:00 Thoughts on Jung, Christianity 15:30 If you could actually have one rule that would be enforced with real "church discipline" with teeth so that it really did have more effect than making someone leave the church, what would it be? 22:00 What about theological or propositional enforcement 29:00 Entry requirements to being a Christian, what threshholds, computer software, minimum system requirements 44:00 Dr. Greg Enriquez Guy Sengstock Circling 47:45 Fowler Stages of Faith, Why don't I like them? 56:30 Father's day sermon. Questions to Pastor Paul. I hope you are well Pastor Paul and I have a question in regards to the fatherhood. So, last weekend was father's day and some friends of mine sent me a videos of pastors, speaking about fatherhood. I won't name pastors and here's a quote from a pastor. To quote: "So all of you who say the 'father's don't matter', You need to change your philosophy on that, because fathers are very important particularly for boys. Because boys need something to reflect off on, to figure out what am I supposed to be when I get here, there or elsewhere. That's very important to understand that. Now, I know that your child's father might not have been a good husband BUT that doesn't always mean that he can't be a good father. Just like you're being a good mother, doesn't always make you a good wife." To end quote. My friend, disagree with the pastor, saying that "bad father is bad husband, it is not separate" and this type of thinking (what the pastor said) will cause so much damage to the body of Christ. So, my question to you pastor Paul, is there a nuance way to see this "bad father = bad husband?" Should there be an argument that "bad father=bad husband" isn't always the case? Or this is where we, as a individual, just have to draw a Hardline, there are no alternative views on this manner? I would love to hear your thoughts. Thank you for your time. Warren Farrel 1:03:30 Job: Gun to the head moments Corrie Ten Boom. 1:11:40 What is the Christian’s role in political systems which govern according to the consent of the governed? And by what means do you answer that question, given that the New Testament was written before the rise of representative republics? 1:19:30 Why suicide bad? I have one simple question for Paul. Why is suicide bad? Why is there the third brother missing in the story of Cain and Abel? You don't have to be bitter about the world. You can still wish your brothers well and (try to) leave it 1:29:45 Old Adam and New Adam. We are crowd sourced. Striving through life as a mutual affair. With whom am I curating my life? Even after sifting through the trustworthy arenas. The vertigo of how I think and feel about what I am and the day to day walk and breath in the old Adam. That kind of vertigo where I have all these prejudices. It is such a swing entering into a cult. Is Christianity in some ways hinting that we are creatures that are wonderfully suited and the proper personality is Christ. 1:41:15 What advice would you give for dealing with friends and family that are unconscious devotees of the new intersectional religion? Which topics that we ask you about do you find your golden glimmering salience highlighter making your tongue the lightest and most animated? 1:44:50 Liberation theology 1:48:50 Pastor Paul, I've been wanting to ask you about something, I've explored for years now the freewill question, and I've come across that calvinists do not believe humanity has libertarian freewill, I wanted to know how you solve the problem that comes from not having freewill at all, and being able to sin 1:52:30 I have recently been awakened by Trevor Noah mentioning Rousseau and Social Contract concepts that inspired the formation of the United States constitution and Enlightenment ideas. It is an area of foundational principals that I am exploring now and I wondered if you had some thoughts on this or if Jordan Peterson on this. 1:55:30 If we are to bear our crosses in this life (voluntarily suffer), then happiness is at best an appearance. What, then, should the sufferer strive for, internalize, or dream, when the goal of sanctification cannot include a faulty notion of happiness, that in this life which cannot be represented. (My question if it's not too late) 1:59:47 Can you speak on some of the differences between guarding our hearts and being fearful. 2:00:00 what do you think of John Wesley? Link to the Discord server https://discord.gg/jdVk8XU Fridays 10am PDT

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Pastoring Mediating Institutions in the IDW (Intellectual Dark Web)

Pastoring Mediating Institutions in the IDW (Intellectual Dark Web)

June 30, 2020

The question of "lived experience" vs data has the culture paralyzed. We blithely appeal to one or the other as if "reality" is some picture we select instead of understanding the nuances between one conscious center and various principalities we negotiate imaginatively. The IDW leaders tend to speak in abstract terms about changing culture without having much experience with institutions that mold individual people and the mediating institutions which significantly shape people and hence the culture. Eric Weinstein Rebel Wisdom David Fuller IDW https://youtu.be/GGtWwln491U Eric Weinstein Bret Weinstein Dark Horse Podcast https://youtu.be/XjOg-OP_69Y Peter Thiel and Religion as the JPEG of Being https://youtu.be/HwM1bn1Ggi8 Bret Weinstein on Rebel Wisdom https://youtu.be/WigprYZPaLc Glenn Loury on Reason https://youtu.be/gp4fg9PWuhM Glenn Loury's story https://youtu.be/iZ1XWO3uTT8 Dominion Tom Holland https://amzn.to/2YJhjea

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Revelation, Transcendence and Receding Modernity

Revelation, Transcendence and Receding Modernity

June 29, 2020

Rafe Kelley's comment on Twitter and Jon Steingard's deconstruction got me thinking about the sort of cartoons Modernism implies when it comes to ideas of revelation. Jordan Peterson's conversation with Roger Scruton was interesting in this regard. The transcendant as obstacle is a fact. I think modernity creates a narrative that is easily lampooned but upon closer inspection is noting terribly hard to understand. John Steingard Seth McDowell Justin Brierley Unbelievable https://youtu.be/_R9KGjxkz7E @rafekelley on Twitter Jordan Peterson and Roger Scruton https://youtu.be/XvbtKAYdcZY?t=724 Why does it feel like the world is coming unglued https://youtu.be/0YgP_j53W-s Jordan Peterson Sam Harris Bret Weinstein Vancouver 1 https://youtu.be/d-Z9EZE8kpo GK Chesterton Heretics https://amzn.to/3eJr2Xz John Vervaeke reciprocal narrowing https://youtu.be/vGB8k7jk1AQ Andy Crouch Playing God Power https://amzn.to/2Zdx0cK Transformations and Addictions https://youtu.be/wnhFcdpt0oQ Glenn Loury Carol Swain https://youtu.be/rDrwXoqluSA Charles Wesley's And Can it Be https://youtu.be/sQeIGbKqiw8 Bret Weinstein David Fuller IDW https://youtu.be/WigprYZPaLc Distributist This is Not Water https://youtu.be/2NyfdgRgJZQ Abduction of Proserpine http://www.getty.edu/art/collection/objects/636/alessandro-allori-the-abduction-of-proserpine-italian-1570/ Dominion Tom Holland https://amzn.to/2ZmoBng Ascension of the Great Story Maker https://youtu.be/I1Yt_EXXe9M Chains of Grace Stanley Vander Klay https://amzn.to/2NFbfgF Bishop Barron Cuomo https://youtu.be/IgI29K3DC8w Jordan Peterson Lafayette College https://youtu.be/V32WHDuy-Do Craig Keener Miracles https://amzn.to/2VsA7wn

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Discord Q/A: Multi-ethic church, Evangelism, Angels/Demons (again), Cyber-church, June 19, 2020

Discord Q/A: Multi-ethic church, Evangelism, Angels/Demons (again), Cyber-church, June 19, 2020

June 26, 2020

Q/A on the Bridges of Meaning Discord June 19 2020 I do these Q/A sessions on the Bridges of Meaning Discord server most Friday mornings at 10am PDT. https://discord.gg/jdVk8XU 0:00 Beginning in case I can't make it to today's session, I have a short question with a long preamble that I hope you can address for me: I really appreciated your monologue video from yesterday on racism. My church is currently working through a small group study based on a book curriculum written by a pastor and a church planter in the Wesleyan Church called Multiethnic Conversations The intent is to shift our local church into one that engages in actively transforming into a more multiethnic church. I detect a tension in myself that I don't fully understand - perhaps it means I'm racist, or maybe I'm a contrarian, or maybe both (and more), but there is something in me that says, "I'm fine with our church being multiethnic if that's who ends up showing up and becoming a part of the church and finding meaning and life here - it's great if that happens. But to intentionally say, 'We don't look multi-ethnic enough, and the multiethnic church is Biblical and right, and we are lacking, so we need to intentionally do things to change that,' feels off to me in some way. I think I have a concern that making multiethicity A focus of the church could shift into becoming THE focus of the church. And the potential prospect of making it the top of the hierarchy troubles me. All that said, my actual question is, in your view what was/is the Christian impetus for intentionally making your local church a multiethnic one like the one your dad started and you grew up in, and is there anything non-Christian about a church that isn't intentionally pushing itself to be more ethnically diverse? 16:30 Kinnism, THe CRC, Critical Race Theory 23:09 Spartan Theology, talking with an atheist. Jesus and Paul's connection to Essenes. 36:21 Calvinism: Predictability 41:00 I wonder what PVK thinks of "natural evangelism?" Or any of the various methods of evangelism being widely encouraged today? Methods he thinks are done well and others he's concerned to see within the church. 56:00 . So, I've been listening to Jonathan Pageau about, angels, demons and principalities and I have difficult time understanding what they are and able to articulate to others about it. So, what are angels, demons and principalities, and is there a different explanation from Orthodox Christian and the Protestant?? Thank you for your time 1:09:00 Job. Pre-covid Anything done for my church. 1:18:00 The internet tends to create monopolies, particularly for information-based products. Do you worry about the future of moving sermons online, and the fact that this would create a competitive winner-take-all environment that would mostly replace local churches and pastors for mega-churches that don't have physical constraints, and would optimize for entertainment/platform value instead? 1:23:00 What is your view of salvation when considering what role our human effort may play in it or not? Specifically in regard to Ephesians 2:8 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God”? Though we recognize we can do nothing except by grace, do you believe that the “through faith” part involves some sort of human cooperation with God in the sense that “faithfulness” might be bound up with what “faith” is? Or is salvation not dependent on our cooperation in any way? Or perhaps there is even another way you understand faith than this? Is there perhaps a paradox that can’t be fully understood here? 1:35:00 I have always had a problem with the overwhelming support of the death penalty by the Christian community. Am I mistaken that John 8 covers the way god views this after the new covenant? As well in many more red letter verses. 1:42:00 Training your faith muscles. 1:46:00 How does that "do in secret" jive with the spreading of the gospel?

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Why it Feels like the World is Coming Unglued and What Can Help

Why it Feels like the World is Coming Unglued and What Can Help

June 24, 2020

As a pastor I'm watching people's anxiety levels rise. Covid, protests, iconoclasm. As people get more anxious they make poorer decisions. What goes into our perceptions of the world. The Rebel Wisdom calls this "sense making". I spend some time with this and talk about how I cope. Rebel Wisdom Sense Making https://youtu.be/VkKnOEQlwl4 David Fuller Jordan Peterson Journey https://youtu.be/NXpWIephX1o Benjamin Boyce John Vervaeke https://youtu.be/CBuPbplRZFQ Why Racism is Natural and what to do about it https://youtu.be/YXrratv5omE Coddling of the American Mind https://amzn.to/2NnUVkn Bret Weinstein John McWhorter https://youtu.be/Y-FOCZVLTaw Rafe Kelley and I https://youtu.be/OCZM18dRCf0 Rafe Kelley and John Vervaeke https://youtu.be/EbNxuzDbEQI Protestants vs Reason https://youtu.be/SyLm7OHaOaw https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1274376329748598785.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1274883964402929664.html

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Discord Q/A Vervaeke Community, Theists and non-theist, Angels and Demons June 12 2020

Discord Q/A Vervaeke Community, Theists and non-theist, Angels and Demons June 12 2020

June 23, 2020

The Bridges of Meaning Discord Q/A Session from June 12 2020 0:00 Vervaeke Religion that isn't a religion, AA, secularity, Trump and his Bible 1. Religion that's not a religion on the Vervaeke channel. What's going on among theists and non-theists alike, the individual or cultural level. Sense of fatigue or exasperation among self-sovereignty. That's a big deal. It sets up the next move. "Difficult creatures to manage. " What we call the sacred is what we relinquish what we the ability to sacrifice. We allow something else to govern and share our agency. In AA it's not explicitly Christian but deeply Christ haunted. When you consider all the different things you permit to govern you, money, power, the unexpected surprise that the non-coercive has marked us. I don't know that we can settle for any lesser principality or zeitgeist. Possible to be under the auspices of caritas without being explicit. Dialogos, mutual and deep recognition. How do you constitute the sacred in the secular frame. Some evangelicals think that public religious gestures (e.g. Trump's holding the Bible) will halt secularization. They won't. They ENACT SECULARIZATION: they put the sacred to profane use that's contrary to the character of the sacred. That's desecration and hence secularization. 28:20 Vervaeke, People on the Vervaeke discord server are trying to nudge up against the sacred. Where can Theists and non-Theism alike do that? Common Ground? 35:00 The reality of angels and demons 53:45 My tradition classifies sin in two categories: (1) personal sin (deliberate and willful) and (2) original depravity (sinful, but not consciously willful). There's a lot of talk about "systemic sin" particularly in relation to systemic racism. Does "systemic sin" nest neatly in one or both of the existing categories - or do parts of it spill into a third category? This may seem like a dry theological point... but my church is really struggling with some of the downstream consequences of this debate. NOTE: I won't be able to attend the live chat. Please skip my question if only live attendee questions are accepted. Obviously, will not be available to clarify or follow-up.Sin, Racism, systems 1:03:10 Job Angels, Demons and the buffered self 1:11:30 God of the Gaps and Natural Events, giving purpose to these events 1:19:00 A while back you stated a preference for the term Universal truth as opposed to Objective. I think I see the disadvantage of the term "Objective" in that it brings to mind Sam Harris's world of Amazon boxes waiting to be manipulated, but what opportunities do you see in describing Truth as universal and how does it avoid the modernist pitfalls of the term "Objective?" Thanks again! 1:23:45 Myths Mysticism, experiential searching for God, Protestant mysticism. Good functional mysticism. 1:30:45 Is race/ethnicity a part of one’s identity that should be valued (i.e., as a point of pride, brotherhood, community, etc.), or should it be regarded as no different from height or blood type? I’m inclined to the latter, but this question is complicated by the existence of communities which are very much defined by their racial identity, for very understandable reasons. 1:38:00 Can we replace "privilege" talk with "blessing/blessed" talk? What would be gained? What would be lost? 1:48:00 Follow up on Shari's Vervaeke Theist/non-theist question. it does seem like people who do not want to find God keep tripping over him in their search for meaning, yet bend over backwards to explain these moments away...why are some so resistant?

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Another New Atheist Returns to the Church after Finding Jordan Peterson

Another New Atheist Returns to the Church after Finding Jordan Peterson

June 22, 2020

Andreas is usually first to my videos. He's been around the channel and Discord server community for a while now. He finally finds a slot to share his story. There have been so many like it. Great to hear another.

Raised RC, went to Catholic school

Lost his faith in the usual way

Playing video games

Stumbled across the usual atheist arguments, made the decision he couldn't believe it anymore. Wasn't quite lived out so he didn't have any relationship to that.

His mother said "you still believe you just don't know it"

Perfectly content living his life playing video games

Got pushed by his mother to do something so started doing something in IT

Expected of him to study and do something

Studied linguistics

Was doing a bachelor's degree until writing the thesis and he got blocked

Working at a storage facility

Spent that time going to work, video games, weed

Listen to podcasts while he plays video games

H3 podcast, 2 episodes with Jordan Peterson

Psychology of people with high neuroticism. Perfectly described how he felt

Started talking about how to get better

Why is it bad to NOT live up to my potential. Just doing a job earning money

In doing his job he learned that he has value. People liked him. He did well. Did he want to be that chicken in a cage?

Wrestling with himself standing with his phone. Made the conscious decision to continue listening.

Was in a different department at work where he could spend time listening to Peterson stuff at work.

Started listening to the Biblical series. Blew him away.

Wanted a Christian perspective on Jordan Peterson's biblical lectures.

Is Jordan Peterson dangerous?

Peterson idolatry phase

CS Lewis

CS Lewis got him back into really considering Christianity

Started to say "yes" to more things

To actively seek out more opportunities to get out of the house

Taking singing lessons

The company was being shut down. The new existential crisis

Had to find a job.

Finish apprenticeship in IT but didn't do well in interviews

Went on a year and a half

Wasn't fully back into the faith yet

Going to Mass at Christmas. It felt good.

Join a meetup about Christians and skeptics

Started watching a lot more Catholic stuff on Youtube.

The deciding moment was a woman, of course.

That was his other idol. Getting a girlfriend, a family

On the day after that had an interview

Also applied for a job at a care home for the elderly

Got shut down and the next day got an interview really felt bad

The day after got the call, here's a door opening.

Trial work day, around Easter, started going back to church regularly

Back to church regularly.

Parents got the idea to apply at another home

Should keep at it.

Church choir.

Like minded people, affirmation

Both honest and kind

Really built his relationship with his parents again

Mom kept reminding him of "deliver us from evil"

COVID

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Discord Q/A. New IDW Ecumenicity, Race, Protests, Spirits, Pastoring June 11 2020

Discord Q/A. New IDW Ecumenicity, Race, Protests, Spirits, Pastoring June 11 2020

June 19, 2020

0:00 Pastor Word Gardener and how does that relate to the protests
12:00 I listen to people as part of conversion. Am I ever direct?
18:30 Increase in recognition of symbolism has increased the need of traditional Christianity, denominations. Movement towards older churches.
24:45 Sacrament is something material that connects us to something immaterial. The experience of meaning functions sacramentally in Jordan Peterson's system
27:30 What's the future of the IDW?
31:45 Church Discipline and Divorce
35:45 Roman Catholic churches aren't often strong on preaching. They are getting it from the Internet. Is this good?
38:45 Where will the LGBTQ series end up? If I had one question to ask the other side.
48:50 What do I do when I'm depressed, upset and feeling down about the things of the world?
54:45 Uptick in people dealing with mental illness
57:30 Orthodox christian whose favorite preacher is a Calvinist. Is this an example of an example of growing ecumenical openness?
1:02:45 Rationalizations for evil things by turning towards religion. How do we know when we're doing that?
1:08:15 Christianity is a great path to freedom, but I'm not a Christian.
1:12:30 How do you become such a good listener?
1:14:30 Ecumenical conversations Are we being forced into more ecumenical dialogue by atheism and secularization?
1:18:30 Pastors have taken on a lot of the anti-racist religiosity since George Floyd. Bringing him to dive into Glenn Loury and John McWhorter for a broader perspective.
1:27:45 Jordan Peterson. What is the immaterial thing that Jordan Peterson is using as the sacrament of meaning?
1:32:00 Love your talk of spirits, principalities. Seems very Girardian, for whom the demon/unclean spirit is the particular mutual psychic possession one-of-another, and the Satan is the distributed, pervasive individual psychology. This moves Jesus's ministry from relevant to fringe demonic phenomena to an engagement with the psychological, sociological world on a most compelling manner. Do you have thoughts on the ontology of the spirits and powers? To me the psyche is existing, and the spirit is real, and has real life, even if it is psyche and dies if exercised from the possessed. Also, can you talk about both whiteness and whiteness studies as a principalities, and relate them to our perceptual lenses by which the world stands out to us and which organisms the objects if perception?
1:43:50 What is my opinion on the Gnostic and Apocraphal books?
1:46:50 What is my thought on authorship of Paul's letters and books of Peter as well.
1:50:50 Jonathan Pageau, Systems theorists, Game B people. What's my take?
1:54:00 What secular media has provide unexpected religious and spiritual insights?

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Is the Christian Reformed Church Moving Forwards or Backwards on Race Relations in Chicago?

Is the Christian Reformed Church Moving Forwards or Backwards on Race Relations in Chicago?

June 19, 2020

For those who know the history of the CRC Chicago was a pivotal epicenter in its history of race relations. The Timothy Christian School lawsuit prompted the Synod to start the Synodical Committee on Race Relations. It was a defining moment in the CRC embracing second wave anti-racism. Those days are now well in our past and Critical Race Theory is increasingly the template that is shaping the language used around race relations. I sit down with someone who lived the old style of racial reconciliation in the denomination for his take on what's going on in Chicago.

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Jesus says Beware of the Moral Show to Be on the Right Side of History

Jesus says Beware of the Moral Show to Be on the Right Side of History

June 19, 2020

Everyone wants to be seen as moral and they are willing to give money away for that moral status. Jesus, the man who changed the world in the most surprising ways says this doesn't work.

Sermon on the Mount

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