Paul VanderKlay’s Podcast
Why the New York Times Doesn’t Understand Religion,

Why the New York Times Doesn’t Understand Religion,

July 5, 2019

Why the NY Times doesn’t understand why people would be interested in Religion.
Can generosity be commanded?
People want no rules in church
Church as a voluntary organization
I don’t know anybody who believes in the resurrection of the body who didn’t go to seminary
You have this toolbox that you are constantly adding to
You use different ideas in church
People’s positions on stuff are revealed by how they act, write or speak passively than actively
If everything is expressive, there should not be any rules
The statements they are saying are propaganda
Epistemology that the church teaches Christianity has is so unclear
Defends itself by critiquing the critique
What do people mean when they say the word “God”
So many of the pastors are on their back foot but I don’t know what they mean by their terms
You grow up with an idea that God is just a big one of us.
Metaphysics in Christianity have seen a distinct lack of focus
Christians don’t really know what they are saying when they say “god exists”
What is a Christian epistemology?
What we mean when we say “I believe that Jesus is Lord”

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Owen Barfield’s Meaning Crisis and the Evolution of Consciousness

Owen Barfield’s Meaning Crisis and the Evolution of Consciousness

July 3, 2019

John Vervaeke teaches that the meaning crisis is a result of our long story into modernity. Human beings find themselves alone in a sea of dead, unconscious matter and it is causes us a crisis of meaning. We deconstructed everything down to ourselves. We dissect the world, dissect ourselves but wonder who holds the knife. Owen Barfield had some incredibly important insights into this process that need far more attention. Malcolm Guite, an Anglican Priest has given some fine lectures on this. I'll use him to explore Barfield in this video.

Malcolm Guite https://youtu.be/8_v9vX4y0Cg 
ThinkBigAnimation https://youtu.be/hGmUEMJo_tE 
Malcolm Guite on Owen Barfield https://youtu.be/vWPaYqMYwbA 
Bret Weinstein Assassin Robots https://youtu.be/KigJ5rn-4yE 
CS Lewis Miracles https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-C-S-Lewis-ebook/dp/B002BY77FY 
Paul Maxwell Memorize Philosophy 30 minutes https://youtu.be/G5i2y5w8Dzc 
conversation with Quality existence https://youtu.be/pVooVYjas2g 
Vervaeke metaphysics https://youtu.be/6ZRd_TEua8E 
Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein Vancouver 1 heuristics https://youtu.be/d-Z9EZE8kpo?t=4453 
Dallas Willard the Nature of Worldviews https://youtu.be/X6hwsG7AUZ0 
Jordan Peterson and Roger Scruton https://youtu.be/XvbtKAYdcZY 
Owen Barfield LIterary Estate https://owenbarfield.org/  
#meaningcrisis #owenbarfield #vervaeke

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Jeff, Job, Luke, Salvation is a successive elimination of what we have to what we are

Jeff, Job, Luke, Salvation is a successive elimination of what we have to what we are

July 2, 2019

This is our first four way conversation, a meetup online of sorts. The conversation ranges of course. Job in his quest to find God, Luke in his escape from evangelicalism to orthodoxy, Jeff in his continuous exploration of CS Lewis.

Hallmark of a good community
Why do we watch?
Salience
Gabriel Marcel, Searching. People who are honest seekers
Committed to the truth outside of the truth they currently apprehend
There’s a whole new existence in which life is worth living
Maybe there will be another video and I’ll understand a bit better
Admiration
My conversation with Rod
The journey towards salvation is marked by a successive elimination of all that we have in order to reach what we are.
Nathan Jacobs and Hank Hannegraff

 

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Idolized Intellect, Disembodiment and Technological Babel

Idolized Intellect, Disembodiment and Technological Babel

July 1, 2019

Luke comes in for his second chat. He's off Twitter but active in the comments. He continues to promote Orthodoxy as a retreat from his experience in the evangelical church.

Notes
Interconnectedness of all things
Woundedness
The modernist West has idolized the intellect and is on the way towards complete disembodiment via technologies, tools and transactionalism towards technological Babel.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/07/25/how-the-west-was-won/

Technological Babel:
Individualism
Progress
Technology
Materialism/consumerism

Glen Scrivener
Jordan Peterson

Grace and Works
Nathan Jacobs and Hank Hannegraff
Eastern and Western

American will change the Orthodox

Father Andrew at St. Mary’s

Father Steven Freeman Everywhere Present

Ken Wilber, spiral dynamics

Laurus by Eugene Vodolazkin

George McDonald’s Lilith
Editable notes https://docs.google.com/document/d/189XUKPOMw1ZcruD5YWbipimP4ZtyL8xe8gJEEZhM-xs/edit?usp=sharing

 

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Haggai’s Failure to Fulfill

Haggai’s Failure to Fulfill

June 30, 2019

Haggai the Prophet looks like a failure. Zerubbabel didn't shake the world. They didn't stream to the rebuilt temple. Why is this book in the Bible?

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Democratic Debates, CS Lewis and the Cult of Kindness

Democratic Debates, CS Lewis and the Cult of Kindness

June 29, 2019

Kindness is a fruit of the Spirit but it does not belong at the top of our value hierarchy. The US currently has one party that values kindness, and the other strength, and what we need is integration. I'll focus on CS Lewis' differentiation of Love and kindness as applied to Western culture today.

CS Lewis on Love and Kindness https://paulvanderklay.me/2019/06/28/cs-lewis-love-vs-kindness/ 

Andrew Sullivan Dems on Immigration and declining acceptance http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/andrew-sullivan-democrats-are-in-a-bubble-on-immigration.html 

Dave Rubin's Tweet https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1144396029090922496 

CS Lewis the Problem of Pain https://www.amazon.com/Problem-Pain-C-S-Lewis-ebook/dp/B002BD2USY 

The Great Divorce https://www.amazon.com/Great-Divorce-C-S-Lewis-ebook/dp/B002BD2US4 

Frank Schaeffer and Brian McLaren https://youtu.be/AY1b9cc08jo 
Frank Schaeffer Google Talk https://youtu.be/-33BUmx91BE 
Fatal Discord https://www.amazon.com/Fatal-Discord-Erasmus-Luther-Western-ebook/dp/B0796T43YF 
JBP one last question https://youtu.be/afSQZweYDts 
Cruising in the Age of Consent https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/cruising-in-the-age-of-consent/590656/ 
A Match made in heaven https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/06/21/feature/a-match-made-in-heaven/ 
Rod Dreher https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/stonewall-gift-sexual-revolution-lgbt/ 

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The Subjective is as Real as the Objective, A Quality Existence

The Subjective is as Real as the Objective, A Quality Existence

June 28, 2019

A Quality Existence is a YouTube channel that explores many of the same ideas this channel does from the perspective of a Metaphysic of Quality. Sevilla uses the work of Robert Pirsig who wrote Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance to facilitate this exploration. She caught my attention a while ago when she was commenting on Jordan Peterson and CS Lewis. Recently she did a couple of videos about the differences between the work of Jonathan Vervaeke and Jonathan Pageau.

Her Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6vg0HkKKlgsWk-3HfV-vnw

Notes
Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance
Noetic dimension victor Frankl
With Pirsig it felt like he was touching bottom
Metaphysics of Quality
Turn it into something in therapy
Spiritual intervention
Jordan Peterson
People don’t connect with organized religion
Art school
Alan Watts
Richard Rohr
CS Lewis
Screwtape Letters
Miracles
Maps of Meaning
Quality drives the universe, what is better is what is more free
We’re limited beings, we’re expanding towards less and less limitation
Things grow in complexity
Levels of Quality, static levels of quality
These upper levels are subjective
The subjective is just as real as the objective
That way of seeing the world is so productive
The analytical knife
The more experiments you produce the more objects you produce
You just keep cutting
You can’t just see you and things in the world
Lila, the second book, turns it into an actual philosophy
Seeing that underlying metaphysics, God can be in there
The drive is to the better, the good, limitless
The upward trajectory is a moral one
The ghost of reason
The medieval worldview the symbols are as alive and real as the material in the world, more real
Not until we discover rationality that we have a relationship
It’s meaning, not material
Vervaeke
The problem began with Aristotle
Quality is a thing that infiltrates
Always towards what’s better
You sense quality
The flow state
Gumption
Applied metaphysics, Vervaeke
The morality is the hardest part
The way we are by frank putnam
Dynamical systems
There’s an inherent movement in nature
Our moods and our states transition with the undercurrent
Evidence to see ourselves as multiple

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When God Talks Back

When God Talks Back

June 27, 2019

Shiobhan jumped into a slot that was freshly vacated and shared with me the experiences she has received. She notes early on that some churches don't like this kind of thing. Many people I talk to are looking or waiting for some sort of supernatural experience. She wasn't looking for it but it happens to her. How do we handle it? Do we value it? What do you think about it?

If you want to study this I recommend T.M. Luhrmann's When God Talks Back. https://www.amazon.com/When-God-Talks-Back-Understanding-ebook/dp/B005IQZAQ0

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Becoming Nathan Jacobs: Psychedelics, Art, Philosophy, God, Film

Becoming Nathan Jacobs: Psychedelics, Art, Philosophy, God, Film

June 26, 2019

Dr. Nathan Jacobs is an artist, filmmaker, lecturer in theology and philosophy who created a film on the "nones and dones" Becoming Truly Human. https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Truly-Human-Nathan-Jacobs/dp/B0759QXCCG

Reaching Nones and Dones https://youtu.be/ME54BibXfYs
with Hank Hanegraaf https://youtu.be/T-y1zHK9X6M and https://youtu.be/oJHCg8xt_l8

Phil Vischer Me, Myself and Bob. https://www.amazon.com/Me-Myself-Bob-Talking-Vegetables-ebook/dp/B006ZBR4V6

Great up lutheran
Mother was deeply into apologetics
Family argued about faith and life
Impression of Genesis, sounds like Moses is describing the world under a dome with water above
Hugh Ross
Mom instilled a lack of fear of asking questions
Theological discussion for fun
No substantive spirituality with it
Hit a spiritual crisis
Was on a bad acid trip
Having certain realizations about consciousness and the soul
Socrates argument of affinity and the soul
Consciousness doesn’t break down and decay
How do you get off the ride when you are the ride
If I kill my body will that kill my consciousness?
That awakened a realization that his consciousness might survive him
The state of my own soul can be a state of torment
Paradise being the condition of the soul, Eastern church fathers
Do I have free will? What is God like? Maybe he is a tyrant?
Started diving into religious questions.
Started a long path of academic study
Bad acid trip in high school and propelled for years
Took the questions so seriously
Free will is a serious thing, if I have that capacity, that is a huge weight
It became a crisis
Left art school because he was so focused on philosophy
Augustine, Aquinas, Neoplatonists, Aristotelians, Modern Philosophy, Kant
Worked it as data points and trying to make it cohere
World religions try to address the human condition
Jesus of Nazareth seems to offer some type of exclusivity
What if Jesus was a sorcerer or a deceiver
Is he a wonder worker? Look at the fruit of what it bears
Return to the Christian roots
Took the problem of evil seriously but it didn’t lead to atheism
The argument created a data point on the goodness of God and existence of evil, and you can’t get rid of transcendent morality
Process philosophy. Alfred North Whitehead, heartshorn, Omnipotence and other theological mistakes.
Major problems in Augustine and Aquinas pushed him towards philosophical Christianity
It really didn’t have any practice
Believed in Jesus but no affiliation with a visible church
Moved from being a none to a done
Or maybe a never was
The search went from degree to degree to degree, philosophy, church history, PhD studies,
Took a class in a patristic scholar, from Nicea to Constantinople. Reading all primary scources, all Eastern Fathers. Was disoriented by the Eastern Fathers. I don’t know what I’m reading here.
The more he understood them the more compelling they were.
Their thought represented an alternative hypothesis but offered more.
Hallucinogens and Art
Maryland Institute, Art School, intense full immersion
Philosophy school wasn’t like he imagined
Found a couple of professors that noticed his interest
Transferred to Trinity Deerfield
Spent a semester working for his dad’s construction company
At the college he had more freedom than he would have with divinity school
Terrible student growing up unpolished academically
Chris Firestone, equally unpolished.
John Stackhouse
Coauthored a book on Kant with Chris Firestone
Trinity Evangelical Divinity School TEDS
Calvin Seminary
At the doctoral level it was far more open
Plantinga and Wolterstorff
Richard Muller
Met wife
Chalk line
Killing Poe
She was very much an evangelical
Communion with the Orthodox church, in obedience to the priest
Took 7 years.
David Bradshaw, chair of philosophy department of Kentucky
Ancient Metaphysics
Gotta find an exit route out of the evangelical world
Grand Rapids, Michigan
Interested in the Nones
Continue in Film
Tree of Life
Life Itself

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Are the Jehovah Witnesses a Cult? The Roman Catholic Church?

Are the Jehovah Witnesses a Cult? The Roman Catholic Church?

June 25, 2019

Mary "the smart lady from the comments section" is back and wanted to piggy back on Cassidy's conversation about cults. She's bringing a lot of books with her.
Previous conversation with Mary https://youtu.be/WdlMtQSKszc
With Cassidy on Cults and Tongues https://youtu.be/gsW1hUDDKlg

Cult and occult
Cult from agriculture, cultivation
Origin of religious devotion had to do with agriculture
Disambiguation
Good cult, neutral cult and bad cult
Sects
Modern phenomenon started around the 1960s
Kidnapping, deprogramming, snapped back to reality
Phase 3, stepping back and studying it

3 definitions of cults

1. The popular definition: Cults were small groups, they dressed weird, they lived in isolation fanatically devoted to the teachings of one leader. Cults attracted stupid, weakminded people.

That definition is inaccurate.
If you have it in your mind that the people who get into cults are stupid and weak minded, that leaves you vulnerable to being recruited.

2. A theological definition of a cult. Dr. Walter Martin. Kingdom of the Cults. Watchmen fellowship.

Add, substract, multiply and divide.
Adds to the Bible
Subtracts from the deity of Christ or the Trinity
Multiplies what you need to do for salvation
Divides the person from their family and friends

3. More academic standpoint. Based more on the actions that the belief structure, Deed not creed.

See if you can locate some models. Communism. Robert J. Lifton https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Jay-Lifton/e/B000APASEI
Model of the abused woman. The person who identifies with the abuser
International Cultic Studies association

Interact with former cult members.
Interviewed people
Mary, as a former JW sat with 70 people from other cults.

How similar all of the experiences are.
Cults actively recruit people. And they don’t actively recruit stupid or weak minded people
Deception in recruiting
Hijacked lives.
Twisted Scriptures: by CHRNALOGAR. https://www.amazon.com/Twisted-Scriptures-Breaking-Churches-Abuse-ebook/dp/B000SEVTL2
Taking an illegitimate amount of authority over the life of a person
A cult cannot manage a civilization
They restrict the domains in which people can operate

Releasing the bonds by Hassan https://www.amazon.com/Releasing-Bonds-Empowering-People-Themselves/dp/0967068800
Cult Proofing your kids: dr. Martin. Wellspring retreat and resource center. https://www.amazon.com/Cult-Proofing-Your-Kids-Martin/dp/0310537614
Margert Thaler Singer: cults in our midst https://www.amazon.com/Cults-Our-Midst-Continuing-Against/dp/0787967416
Difference between a cult and the US Marines
Captive hearts, captive minds. https://www.amazon.com/Captive-Hearts-Minds-Recovery-Relationships/dp/0897931440
Survivors of cults
Recovery from Cults

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