Paul VanderKlay’s Podcast
Jordan Peterson, Owen Barfield: Meaning, Truth, Lying and Charisma

Jordan Peterson, Owen Barfield: Meaning, Truth, Lying and Charisma

July 17, 2019

Michael is in for his second chat. He's been reading a lot of Barfield and pondering his work in connection with that of Jordan Peterson. How does truth telling impact charisma?

Notes
When I lie I fell like I’m being pulled apart
When you lie you slice the world up into smaller pieces, even yourself
Life was compartmentalized in different areas
Default was nihilism
We think we can slice the world up and cut it into little pieces
Idolization of the intellect
The imagination that what it is producing is knowledge
All the function and form of it has been lost in its current state
Some of this use of language is an attempt to pause everything
When we look back into history we imagine them as failed scientists
We imagine ourselves as scientists because technology is so powerful
False dichotomy
Vervaeke
Shiobhan
John Wood Jr.
If we don’t amend the filter we won’t see
Jordan Peterson
The lie, you can’t not believe the things you say, you become attached to that.
You can’t twist your use of language without twisting that thing inside of you that determines truth from error
You can’t know if you’re saying the truth but you can note when you’re lying.
It’s part of what makes him very charismatic
Correspondence between truth and charisma
The Great War
Metaphysics of Quality talk
Sam Harris

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From Hippie-Prepper to Christian Artist, Love and Suffering and the Body of Christ

From Hippie-Prepper to Christian Artist, Love and Suffering and the Body of Christ

July 15, 2019

Karen shares some of her story. Structure the basement first. There's something about the individual that's important to the universe.

Notes
Love and suffering
Structure the basement first before you come out with an idea
History of evangelicalism since 1980 and politics
The music scene. Became a Christian in 1980
Bottom line first: there’s something about the individual that’s important in the way the universe is structured
God works with each individual in a unique way
Suffering is a very individual thing
Your suffering is unique and others can’t understand
In 1988 as a missionary in Japan
Reading the Bible and stumbled upon Philippians 3:10
Know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings
Brother died in a plane crash, sort out things with the parents…
After 6 months of suffering, the only thing she could hold onto is that God is good
Scared to go through suffering like that again

Was interested in politics in the late 1970s
Bought a farm out in the country, preppers in a way, hippies turned preppers
Politics and economics, thinking to make a difference…
1980 Stumbled into a church. In that church ran across Secular Humanism in Light of the Holy Scriptures by Homer Duncan
Trying to understand Christianity. Old fashioned tent revival in Iowa
Country church that taught the gospel. 5 small towns around.
Had been a Friend’s church. Many denominational differences are peripheral to true meaning
New pastor had been a missionary to the Navajo, not a Friend’s pastor but a remarkable human being.
Always focused on Jesus Christ as the way, the truth and the life.
Full Gospel business men at a former night club
Asked if she would run for State legislature in Iowa
Got elected, served for two year, became controversial
Joined the conservative element in the legislature.
Issues that came up that were appalling, sex ed curriculum developed by Iowa State
Why are they taking the meaning out of sex
Realized that political activity is not the solution
ESL, simplest conceptual language
Chinese guy working on quantum physics
Husband comes out and says he’s in love with another man
The other thing that got me through the suffering was the body of Christ.
Real people with hearts and hands and feet who gathered around, listened, prayed, cared for me, sat with both my Mom and my Dad while they were dying, helped me go through their house and pack up and sell all their belongings and even drove a truck across country to help me move to California.

Also sorry I froze when you asked me what I meant by the gospel. In the peace and quiet now, I would say that it is to tell the truth about the centrality of the Lord Jesus Christ who took upon Himself my sin and bore my penalty on the Cross as the perfect sacrifice so that He could clothe me with His righteousness.

Mother had cancer with 6 months to live
Father began having organ failure
Aimes Fellowship Church 1983
Suffering teaches us at a fundamental level that keeps us safe from falling into the paint pots
John Stott quote: “I could never myself believe in God if it were not for the Cross” from the Cross of Christ
Every person suffers.

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Climate Change Apocalypse Induced Depression

Climate Change Apocalypse Induced Depression

July 14, 2019

A Mother Jones Magazine article talks about how the election of Trump impacts climate change scientists, making them despondent and depressed. Why does this happen? Is this just about climate change? What are some of the causes of depression?

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/07/weight-of-the-world-climate-change-scientist-grief/

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/26/18693259/2020-presidential-election-calendar-primaries

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A Millennial Life, Work, Friendship and the rise of Jordan Peterson

A Millennial Life, Work, Friendship and the rise of Jordan Peterson

July 12, 2019

Joey is a core member of the Sacramento Jordan Peterson Meetup. I've learned a lot from him about how life has changed since I was coming up. We get into some biography, talk about work-life, friendship, the generational hand-off, and the need for community.

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Khemit Bailey, The Character Arc, Self and Future Authoring

Khemit Bailey, The Character Arc, Self and Future Authoring

July 11, 2019

Khemit is a lover of fiction and fantasy and sees its role in developing our own stories. He runs a Facebook group supporting people working through Jordan Peterson's self-authoring program and has his own course on The Character Arc. I think you'll enjoy this conversation.

Self Authoring Collaboration Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1807580879352690
The Character Arc Podcast (on iTunes): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-character-arc-podcast/id1353842891
The Character Arc resources: https://thecharacterarc.com/resources

Notes
Self-authoring collaborating Facebook group
The Character Arc Course
Foster in people a relationship with fiction
Foster a sense of togetherness only found through story
Gym membership problem
12 Rules for Life
Connection with stories and archetypes
Transition expert
CBT
Northrup Fry: knowledge is of the specific, wisdom is of the general
Wisdom is related to story in a causal way
The Bible in the mind is the more important Bible
Lord of the Rings
Dress up like your favorite character
Comicon
Thecharacterarc.com
Smart streaming
Character arc course
The character arc podcast
Selfauthoring futureauthoring self authoring collaboration group on Facebook

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Everyday Magical Thinking Modern People Can’t Live Without

Everyday Magical Thinking Modern People Can’t Live Without

July 10, 2019

Nick is back and we get deeper into how normal people must use something like magical thinking to navigate a very complex world. The Internet exacerbates the challenge because it creates a nearly perfectly flat salience landscape. I enjoyed this conversation and I hope you will too. Notes below

DDT so safe... https://youtu.be/gtcXXbuR244

how the internet flattens salience thru contradiction, how pattern finding in our frame of reference always directly implies a metalayer (how this relates to psychedelic experience), how context is created thru consumption (cults as curated information - salience manipulation),

Heuristics function on what we call magical thinking
Employing magical thinking constantly throughout the day
Washing our hands
That process, all we have done is call the bad stuff “germs” and put the good stuff on
How deeply it impacts you psyche without noticing it
Anti-vaxxers
The rise of the internet
College violence
We don’t have fins for this realm
There’s no other way to curate the internet
The fundamental drives functioning on the internet are not as direct
We don’t have a strong mechanism for sorting the internet
We have to decide what to focus on
Andy Ng antifa Portland
The Internet itself is nearly a perfectly flat salience field
The human response is a cultural framing
We’re getting a feedback loop
The effect of clickbait
Why do we eat at McDonalds
Literally changing our tastes

Postmodernism is setting up the ground for flattened salience
You can’t bite your own teeth, your eye can’t see itself
Buddhism
Allowing of who I am rather than getting rid of who I am
Looking at the postmodern condition is a form of baptism
Postmodern context is a submergence into the water
Fear of drowning
Peterson’s chaos. The original symbol of chaos is the deep water
Drowning in information
Baptism of repentance
Kendrick lamar god as gangster
Symbol of Christ

Looking into the uncanny valley
We are stuck in the uncanny valley
The pit of the uncanny valley is the wax museum
Related to social media. We’ve locked ourselves into the uncanny valley particularly in the image focused
Two ways to get out, towards the cartoonish, or more towards the hyper realistic
Very positive reactions to the hyper cartoonish
Deep negative reaction to those putting on a show that think they are real
A dehumanizing effect

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What Would Jesus do in a Zombie Apocalypse? PanPsychism against Meaning Crisis

What Would Jesus do in a Zombie Apocalypse? PanPsychism against Meaning Crisis

July 9, 2019

JP is a Canadian graduate student in philosophy and sees panpsychism as the answer to Vervaeke's physicalism and the meaning crisis.

JP from Quebec
Raised RC, fell away from the faith
Had interest in questions of ethics
Does good exist, what is it?
Math and computer science
At least making progress in math and science
Philosophy didn’t seem to be going anywhere
Godel’s incompleteness theorems
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems
Then moved into Philosophy
Thesis of masters was the hard problem of consciousness
Was a hard physicalist
Vervaeke
Ontology of real relations
http://www.philosophy-index.com/jackson/marys-room/
Mary’s room
Pan psychism
The hard problem of consciousness
Zombie nightmares when he was working on this
Wrestling with nihilism
90% fewer zombie nightmares
Ethics
Around that time learned about Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, Jonathan Haidt
We need to construct morality with the environment, in trial and error
Zombie night mares diminish
Philosophy causes and can reduce zombie nightmares
Started going back to a RC church
As a way to develop virtue
Try to embody the story
What God could mean philosophically
Talked to Jonathan Pageau about the zombie nightmares
Symbolic solution to the zombie nightmares
What would Jesus do in a zombie apocalypse
Helps to see young people in the RC
Met four people who were philosophy students
People are very hungry to talk philosophy in church
Panpsychism of a book
People didn’t want to do metaphysics for a long time
Causal closure of the physical

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Working with Men - Jesus as Archetype, An Interview

Working with Men - Jesus as Archetype, An Interview

July 8, 2019

Can we understand Jesus Christ as an archetype with relevance for understanding the role of men in society today? Organizer of the European Men's Gathering, Paul Lloyd Robson speaks to Pastor and Jordan Peterson commentator Paul VanderKlay about the aspects of Jesus as an archetype. Particularly we explore his relevance in helping men to find their contributive role and take responsibility, while balancing their identity between masculine and feminine virtues.

Find more information about the European Men's Gathering at www.maniphesto.com/emg. The event will be held in Denmark this year on the 12th - 15th September.

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Can we employ transactional religion?

Can we employ transactional religion?

July 7, 2019

Zechariah tells the people that the promises of God are conditional upon their capacity to fulfill their side of the bargain, and Israel keeps failing. This is why Jesus comes.

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Is God the Father a Structure? Jordan Peterson, Bishop Barron,  God #1, Bib Ser 1 Commentary

Is God the Father a Structure? Jordan Peterson, Bishop Barron, God #1, Bib Ser 1 Commentary

July 6, 2019

JBP lays out God #1 when he says to Bishop Barron "that structure (consciousness) is God the Father". Bishop Barron lets it go without comment. I also return to the Biblical Series because I think I can comment on it better after looking at Peterson intensively for over a year.

Conversation in Audio Form https://www.wordonfire.org/peterson/ 
Biblical Series 1 https://youtu.be/f-wWBGo6a2w 
JBP/SH/BW Vancouver 1 https://youtu.be/d-Z9EZE8kpo 

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